Considering Fantom G over Kronos?

[rolandlover]

You are seriously kidding right?

The Fantom G cannot compare in any way shape or form to the ease, functionality, performance or capability to even the cheapest of daw

No I am not kidding but I respect your opinion-different people have different opinions.The reason I said this was because I was trying to compose a music fusing Asian and western styles(tabla,anyone?) and it ended up in a dramatic failure.The program crashed and I wasted a good 30-45 minutes on this nonsense!Whereas if I did it just with G I could have created phrases within the time lost through the earlier step.Now I realize I might need good virtual instruments like Konkat but that would defeat the purpose of buying a $2500 workstation which does it all and more.

The second time I tried it and realized that Roland's sounds can be recorded only as an audio even after it served as an audio interface!If I had a Yamaha Motif it would have been a different story.

But my point is- if I have everything I need in a music workstation why even bother hooking it up to a PC and try to manage technical issues like latency,connectivity,vsts etc etc...Total waste of time in my opinion.Its not like I am using an outdated roland product like Roland W30(my brother owned that keyboard back in the 90's!) which would have justified using a DAW.

[mojkarma]

No I am not kidding but I respect your opinion-different people have different opinions.The reason I said this was because I was trying to compose a music fusing Asian and western styles(tabla,anyone?) and it ended up in a dramatic failure.The program crashed and I wasted a good 30-45 minutes on this nonsense!Whereas if I did it just with G I could have created phrases within the time lost through the earlier step.

Crashing can occur, but it's not an argument at all. I used cubase/sonar/logic/pro tools for ten years, on macs and pc and I can barely remember on any crash. And even then, it needs a fraction of a second to press ctrl+s and save any progress you made. You'll loos the sam 30-45 minutes in thinking about workarounds on a hardware daw to accomplish what is considered as the most basic editing on any software DAW. Cutting midi events, splitting them, muting, changing velocity or other parameters, copying, pasting, fade in, fade out, cutting whole parts of a song, pasting segments of a song...
Things which an experienced software DAW user can do in seconds. Try that on a Fantom G or any other keyboard workstation. Not to mention effects, routing, controller recording, mastering, mix down and so on.

[rolandlover]

mojkarma wrote:

Crashing can occur, but it's not an argument at all. I used cubase/sonar/logic/pro tools for ten years, on macs and pc and I can barely remember on any crash. And even then, it needs a fraction of a second to press ctrl+s and save any progress you made. You'll loos the sam 30-45 minutes in thinking about workarounds on a hardware daw to accomplish what is considered as the most basic editing on any software DAW. Cutting midi events, splitting them, muting, changing velocity or other parameters, copying, pasting, fade in, fade out, cutting whole parts of a song, pasting segments of a song...
Things which an experienced software DAW user can do in seconds. Try that on a Fantom G or any other keyboard workstation. Not to mention effects, routing, controller recording, mastering, mix down and so on.

Its like I said if you spend money on virtual instruments and a decent software DAW it will probably work out fine.My brother has a Yamaha Motif XS6 and he combines it with Ableton software drum loops to compose and it sounds very professional.I know that we can achieve basic editing functions with the microscope mode not sure about the fade in and fade out function.As far as effects is considered it is powerful enough(atleast for me) since I owned a synthesizer from later 90's which allowed only upto 5 insert fxs while Fantom G has 16 with decent routing options.Not sure about controller recording but there is a seperate mastering EQ in Fantom G and you can resample the entire song as a wave file and burn an audio cd from the PC or convert it to a mp3.
The problem I see with software DAWs is that you have to invest money on a decent softsynth/vst which don't come cheap besides in my opinion Fantom G is powerful enough to create any kind of sound/tone and if not-there is always the sampling option!I remember that when I first got the Korg X5d(many years ago)-I was blown away by the sounds and created my own sounds which suited my compositions-but then later on it just did not sound realistic so I kept upgrading until I achieved my dream-come the Roland G!I don't care what people say about it-this was the one machine which alleviated all my tension from composing music-whether it is sampling my own sounds, creating a professional composition, performing live or just messing around.It is the perfect machine and after using the Korg M50 with a DAW-I got fed up and then like a blessing I got the Roland Fantom G.

Anyways people have their own opinions so you're entitled to keep your own.Peace.I just composed Children(Robert Miles) solely on my Fantom G.Will post the youtube link soon.Although I don't think it might be DAW quality lol.There are couple of quantization issues and tune issues-mind you I composed by ear and did not refer to any sheet music.Cheers,

rolandlover(mk101)