This is driving me crazy!

[ELISCHUMANN]

This might be an easy thing to fix, but is really driving me crazy.

1. I select the patch i want for part 1.
2. then I go to part 2, and select another patch.
3. find out that the patch for part 1 was also changed to the patch i selected for part 2.

this happens between a couple of parts, and for some of my studio sets sometimes part 1 comes up with an INITIAL PATCH even if i saved it with a selected patch.

Help. please!

[rohamm]

Morning,

Are you moving/copying patches between the PRST location and the USER locations? Are you saving (using the the Write function) for each change?

thanks - rohamm

[Artemiy]

Make sure you initialize your studio set before you start any work. It can be that your parts are on the same MIDI channel and thus anything you do affect both of them.

[ELISCHUMANN]

rohamm - Nope, I'm only changing a patch for a part and it assigns the same patch to another part and vice versa. and it happens simultaneously when i change the patch.

Artemiy - Initializing didn't work. Besides, with this I would need to re-do almost all my studio sets. Once I initialized a set, and went and selected a patch for part 1. then I hit write, typed the name and all that, but when it gave me the confirmation that it was saved the patch was changed for an initial patch.

thanks....

[ELISCHUMANN]

i forgot....

then i went and changed the patch for part 4, and the same patch was assign to part 1.

[Flumpster]

ELISCHUMANN, are you trying to use midi files with what you are doing ? I don't know if it's control messages that are causing it or something else until we have more information.

Can you give us a few steps of where you are and what you are doing please so I can try and reproduce.

[ELISCHUMANN]

Flumpster -

I'm not creating a song, just a studio set. I'm recording the midi events on cubase, that plays them back through the fantom g.

I think this started when at first I was switching to external to send the midi signal to cubase in studio mode. Don't need to do that anymore, and I'm not sure that was that started all this.

I just tested 3 "INT SUTIOD SET" and they all had the same initial patch for part one, and updated part one when i changed the patch for part 4. It occurs in between some parts.

I'm not sending any program changes messages from cubase. all this is happening within the fantom.

thanks...

[Flumpster]

When you are in studio mode and you press F3 "part view" are any of your RX channels set the same?

Have you been playing with the midi transmit and receive in system settings?

If you have your songs backed up on a usb stick it might be an idea to do a system reset and see if this is still happening.. You might have changed something that you didn't understand it's purpose.

[ELISCHUMANN]

Flumpster, the factory reset fixed everything. Thanks a lot....

[ELISCHUMANN]

Well, one of the parts is still coming up with an initial patch instead of the patch i saved it with...

crazy.

[ELISCHUMANN]

EVERYTHING IS BACK TO WHERE IT WAS!!!!!!! SEEMS LIKE I'LL NEED TO CALL ROLAND!!!!

WHY SHOULD ONE PART CHANGE ITS PATCH WHEN I CHANGE THE PATCH OF ANOTHER PART?????????!!!!!!

[jur451c]

Have you turned local off?

[MrMan]

ELISCHUMANN,

I'm having the very same problem here... driving me nuts too.....

I found that when I close the DAW down and save it's seam ok... but I dont want to do that..

Also I don't think i#m not sending any midi to the DAW so where its comming from I can't tell....

[V-CeeOh]

Well, you can do a simple test: disconect your Fantom from the computer and try to save your Studio Set. You'll notice it all will work fine. This is obviously a wrong MIDI setting and Cubase initializes the patch when you assign it to ANY part.

[Mystic38]

In my experiece with midi issues it has never been the synth, workstation, DAW or computer at fault..it is inevitably my fault, so I agree with VCO ..the fantom isnt doing this but inadvertently it seems you and your DAW are..

if you are setting the patches up in the fantom G..be aware that you are most likely simply overwriting these selections from your DAW...

generally speaking you either want FG to be total control over patches OR the DAW.. one or the other...

so if you want the patch selection to be done by the FG then in studio mode, go to external>midi filter> and disable reception of Program changes messages from all channels.

if you are using your DAW remember that track number is not correlated to midi channel number, and that anything that comes up as a piano is usually a result of a channel reset or unknown patch data...

I do not use cubase, but in sonar you need to set up for each track the following:
a) a midi output device,
b) a midi channel,
c) assign an instrument (to that midi output device channel)
d) and also assign a patch.

regards