Roland should make more bugfixes and enhancements for the workflow in the G.
The hardware is still top, nevertheless the RAM-System could take newer RAM-Modules..
Also the support for other USB-Memory (HDD's) could be better. On the other side...
I've seen the menu-speed (response time) in the XS and compared to the G. The response-time from the XS was ridiculous at the time i've compared to the G and the X. I've not seen the one from the XF. Does anyone know more? The menu/sound-switching is very fast in the G... I'll make some suggestions for the G's next firmware in the corresponding thread.
BR Noragen
What is Roland answer to Motif Xf?
Re: What is Roland answer to Motif Xf?
I haven't the slightest idea but can't wait to see.
Re: What is Roland answer to Motif Xf?
Try finding the right button on an XF in the dark. I just bought a used G6 + ARX 01, 02 for much less than an XF and it is easier to use IMHO. Feels much more creative to me. You can always buy a Kurzweil or Yamaha sound module if you need it.
Roland should keep moving towards creative dj mash/mix crowd. They can throw in a trackpad that does basically what the Korg Kaoss does, and you could then also use it instead of a mouse to navigate around. That's my next purchase.
I agree on modernizing the memory specs. You can use 32 GB SD with a much less expensive sampler but not the G6? I'm maxed at 1 GB.
I find it hard to quickly move from project to project - or maybe I haven't figured out the best way to do that yet. (Still learning.) If they made integrated accessories for the platform I'd buy them. Right now it seems they don't know which way to go (and why they need to put a Kaoss-like trackpad on the G).
Roland should keep moving towards creative dj mash/mix crowd. They can throw in a trackpad that does basically what the Korg Kaoss does, and you could then also use it instead of a mouse to navigate around. That's my next purchase.
I agree on modernizing the memory specs. You can use 32 GB SD with a much less expensive sampler but not the G6? I'm maxed at 1 GB.
I find it hard to quickly move from project to project - or maybe I haven't figured out the best way to do that yet. (Still learning.) If they made integrated accessories for the platform I'd buy them. Right now it seems they don't know which way to go (and why they need to put a Kaoss-like trackpad on the G).
Re: What is Roland answer to Motif Xf?
I play live with both and XS6 and a G7. XS^ was bought used and the G7 was on sale at LnMcQ in Mississauga.
I use the XS6 for synth and piano sounds predominately and the G7 for strings and horns.
I navigate the two boards to their relative strengths. The XS6 storage system (User 1/2/3 - Section A-H - subsection 1 - 16) is easier FOR ME to follow than the Roland User File system.
At the same time the Roland 8 patch/part view/larger screen sytem is easier to navigate.
Choose your sounds you need and play the strengths of each board.
rohamm
I use the XS6 for synth and piano sounds predominately and the G7 for strings and horns.
I navigate the two boards to their relative strengths. The XS6 storage system (User 1/2/3 - Section A-H - subsection 1 - 16) is easier FOR ME to follow than the Roland User File system.
At the same time the Roland 8 patch/part view/larger screen sytem is easier to navigate.
Choose your sounds you need and play the strengths of each board.
rohamm
Re: What is Roland answer to Motif Xf?
caN ONE DOWNLOAD YAMAHA MOTIF PATCHES ? OR MY REAL QUESTION IS - WILL THE MOTIF PATCHES WORK ON THE FANTOM ? CAUSE MOTIF HAVA FEW B.E.A.U.T.I.FULL ORGAN SOUNDS ?
Re: What is Roland answer to Motif Xf?
fantom X: Fantom-G only reads Fantom-G patches, Fantom-X only reads Fantom-X patches, same for Motif and pretty much any other synthesizer.
If you're searching for new sounds, please have a look here:
http://www.sinevibes.com/products/
If you're searching for new sounds, please have a look here:
http://www.sinevibes.com/products/
Re: What is Roland answer to Motif Xf?
"The XS6 storage system (User 1/2/3 - Section A-H - subsection 1 - 16) is easier FOR ME to follow than the Roland User File system. "
It amazes me how different we all are regarding to what we consider as easier or more difficult.
I had a Motif and its way of selecting sounds was extremely difficult for me to remember.
I absolutely prefer the way how the Fantom G does it (and Kurzweil in that regard).
On the Motif I could never memorize in my head where my needed setups/patches were. One is on user2, Section G, subsection 14, the other sound is on user1, Section F, subsection 3.
That's IMHO highly unintuitive.
On the FG I simply remember that one sound/setup is on number 4, the other on number 26 for example. I just have to remember the number.
Having to deal with just one level (numbers) is for me much, much easier than dealing with three levels: Bank, Section, Number.
It amazes me how different we all are regarding to what we consider as easier or more difficult.
I had a Motif and its way of selecting sounds was extremely difficult for me to remember.
I absolutely prefer the way how the Fantom G does it (and Kurzweil in that regard).
On the Motif I could never memorize in my head where my needed setups/patches were. One is on user2, Section G, subsection 14, the other sound is on user1, Section F, subsection 3.
That's IMHO highly unintuitive.
On the FG I simply remember that one sound/setup is on number 4, the other on number 26 for example. I just have to remember the number.
Having to deal with just one level (numbers) is for me much, much easier than dealing with three levels: Bank, Section, Number.
Re: What is Roland answer to Motif Xf?
@Mojkarma,
It amazes me how different we all are regarding to what we consider as easier or more difficult.
Yes, each one has his own way, however you can always ease things up by using the Favorites, or by controlling the sounds from only one source, like a MIDI Controller
It amazes me how different we all are regarding to what we consider as easier or more difficult.
Yes, each one has his own way, however you can always ease things up by using the Favorites, or by controlling the sounds from only one source, like a MIDI Controller
Re: What is Roland answer to Motif Xf?
"On the FG I simply remember that one sound/setup is on number 4, the other on number 26 for example. I just have to remember the number. "
Are you remembering the numbering system as you are playing live or working with sounds as you create a score/sound? I use the G User Group to set up my live set lists, however there are only 4 x 16 slots. I find the 512 live sets slots difficult to remember where the songs are.
Have you figured out a way to move between LiveSets to Favourites and back to LiveSets (back to the LiveSet slot you just left prior to going to Favourites) in just one keystroke. I find that I have to navigate from a PRST file back to a LiveSet fie and then to the specific LIve Set file.
thanks - ROHAMM
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Are you remembering the numbering system as you are playing live or working with sounds as you create a score/sound? I use the G User Group to set up my live set lists, however there are only 4 x 16 slots. I find the 512 live sets slots difficult to remember where the songs are.
Have you figured out a way to move between LiveSets to Favourites and back to LiveSets (back to the LiveSet slot you just left prior to going to Favourites) in just one keystroke. I find that I have to navigate from a PRST file back to a LiveSet fie and then to the specific LIve Set file.
thanks - ROHAMM
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Re: What is Roland answer to Motif Xf?
"however you can always ease things up by using the Favorites"
How do you navigate between LiveSets to Favourites and back to the LiveSet spot you just left, in the fewest strokes. When I leave a User Liveset setting to access a Favourites setting, when want to return to the LiveSet User file, I always get sent back to a PSRT file first. A disaster wehn I am playiing live.
thanks - rohamm
How do you navigate between LiveSets to Favourites and back to the LiveSet spot you just left, in the fewest strokes. When I leave a User Liveset setting to access a Favourites setting, when want to return to the LiveSet User file, I always get sent back to a PSRT file first. A disaster wehn I am playiing live.
thanks - rohamm
Re: What is Roland answer to Motif Xf?
"Are you remembering the numbering system as you are playing live or working with sounds as you create a score/sound? I use the G User Group to set up my live set lists, however there are only 4 x 16 slots. I find the 512 live sets slots difficult to remember where the songs are. "
I play live. Because of that I exclusively use the Live Mode even if it's for just one patch. I don't change between modes. It's also impossible since the FG doesn't remember the last used patch in single mode.
My live set list that my band plays has about 50 songs. For each song I use usually more than one live set. I have all my song setups on a list, containing the song name and a number. The number stays for memory slot in the live set mode.
I created a list in word and sorted it alphabetically.
Now, when we play live and during the song I get the info about the next song, I look on my paper, find the song (easy because everything is in alphabetical order), read the number and enter it at the end of the current song.
With the time it's easy to learn the number without looking at the list. I simply memorize it "on the way".
As I said, it's much easier for me to memorize for example: Careless Whisper - 26 (the Fantom way) instead of Careless Whisper - User2, Section F, Number 14 (the Motif way).
On my list the number refers to the first setup for a song. If I have multiple setups for one song, I simply dial them by using a switch pedal (set to the program up function).
When it comes to the favorite function on the FG, I don't use it because IMHO it is implemented in the wrong way with a bad workflow.
When it comes to selecting a patch/live setup in the favorite mode, it's overcomplicated.
You have to push the group up/down buttons until you get the desired bank, than you have to select the sound with the buttons under the screen. While you can select the first 8 patches directly with the buttons under the screen, for the next 8 patches (9-16) you have to press and hold Shift and then press one of the eight buttons under the screen.
That requires the use of two hands and this has nothing to do with ergonomics. It's an absolutely no go.
The process can be speed up by setting the pads in the appropriate mode for changing the favorites, but than you can't use the pads for anything else.
Besides that, in the favorites mode I don't see the status of my controllers and I prefer to see the values for the faders instead of just having a text file.
Having a text file with memos is a great idea but sadly it's not implemented well and you can have just one text file for a whole bank. It would be much better having a text file for every single patch in the favorites and not just for the whole bank.
Because of all those reasons, I don't consider the favorites mode as a good and handy way for organizing patches for playing live. Like a lot of things on the Fantom, the problem is always that things are implemented halfway. They are never thought to the end.
Fortunately, unlike the Motif, the Fantom has a multitimbral mode with up to 8 sounds and integrated masterkeyboard functions all in one mode and (finally) with 512 memory slots.
The Motif has a performance mode, now with 512 memory slots (across 4 banks), but they are limited to just 4 parts on the same midichannel and without any master keyboard functionality. If you need more than 4 parts in a live setup, you have to use the song and patter mode where you are limited to 128 memory slots (64 in song and 64 in patter mode). If you want to use the Motif as a masterkeyboard you have to use the master mode. So, for slightly more complex tasks, you have to use 4 different modes on the Motif. Because of such a stupid implementation I never considered a Motif as my main tool on stage regardless of how terrific it sounds, since I use just one keyboard on my gigs.
I play live. Because of that I exclusively use the Live Mode even if it's for just one patch. I don't change between modes. It's also impossible since the FG doesn't remember the last used patch in single mode.
My live set list that my band plays has about 50 songs. For each song I use usually more than one live set. I have all my song setups on a list, containing the song name and a number. The number stays for memory slot in the live set mode.
I created a list in word and sorted it alphabetically.
Now, when we play live and during the song I get the info about the next song, I look on my paper, find the song (easy because everything is in alphabetical order), read the number and enter it at the end of the current song.
With the time it's easy to learn the number without looking at the list. I simply memorize it "on the way".
As I said, it's much easier for me to memorize for example: Careless Whisper - 26 (the Fantom way) instead of Careless Whisper - User2, Section F, Number 14 (the Motif way).
On my list the number refers to the first setup for a song. If I have multiple setups for one song, I simply dial them by using a switch pedal (set to the program up function).
When it comes to the favorite function on the FG, I don't use it because IMHO it is implemented in the wrong way with a bad workflow.
When it comes to selecting a patch/live setup in the favorite mode, it's overcomplicated.
You have to push the group up/down buttons until you get the desired bank, than you have to select the sound with the buttons under the screen. While you can select the first 8 patches directly with the buttons under the screen, for the next 8 patches (9-16) you have to press and hold Shift and then press one of the eight buttons under the screen.
That requires the use of two hands and this has nothing to do with ergonomics. It's an absolutely no go.
The process can be speed up by setting the pads in the appropriate mode for changing the favorites, but than you can't use the pads for anything else.
Besides that, in the favorites mode I don't see the status of my controllers and I prefer to see the values for the faders instead of just having a text file.
Having a text file with memos is a great idea but sadly it's not implemented well and you can have just one text file for a whole bank. It would be much better having a text file for every single patch in the favorites and not just for the whole bank.
Because of all those reasons, I don't consider the favorites mode as a good and handy way for organizing patches for playing live. Like a lot of things on the Fantom, the problem is always that things are implemented halfway. They are never thought to the end.
Fortunately, unlike the Motif, the Fantom has a multitimbral mode with up to 8 sounds and integrated masterkeyboard functions all in one mode and (finally) with 512 memory slots.
The Motif has a performance mode, now with 512 memory slots (across 4 banks), but they are limited to just 4 parts on the same midichannel and without any master keyboard functionality. If you need more than 4 parts in a live setup, you have to use the song and patter mode where you are limited to 128 memory slots (64 in song and 64 in patter mode). If you want to use the Motif as a masterkeyboard you have to use the master mode. So, for slightly more complex tasks, you have to use 4 different modes on the Motif. Because of such a stupid implementation I never considered a Motif as my main tool on stage regardless of how terrific it sounds, since I use just one keyboard on my gigs.
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Re: What is Roland answer to Motif Xf?
Wake up, sRa!
Mojkarma is talking about the Motif's "patter mode." It sounds like Yamaha has devoted an entire mode along with 64 memory slots to… uh… what, a metronome?
Mojkarma is talking about the Motif's "patter mode." It sounds like Yamaha has devoted an entire mode along with 64 memory slots to… uh… what, a metronome?
Re: What is Roland answer to Motif Xf?
I like your idea of the word document in alpha order AND the concept of using the numeric pad function to access the specific song on the fly. I currently have my set lists housed in LIveSets 1 - 99, additional songs stored in 100 - 199 and other combintations of sounds ( no specific songs ) in 200 - 300. Tryng to find a song quickly in the 100-199 just yesterday was quite frustrating. The alpha list will help with that.
I have sounds (patches) listed in the LiveSet slots. I'll relas around sitiching between LiveSets and Favourites given you have clarified that there is not an easy path between the two.
thanks - rohamm
I have sounds (patches) listed in the LiveSet slots. I'll relas around sitiching between LiveSets and Favourites given you have clarified that there is not an easy path between the two.
thanks - rohamm
Re: What is Roland answer to Motif Xf?
Well guys what i can read in this forum is... we got some very loyal keyboard players to Roland but we need (and i used to be a Roland guy - still own a G6) to see from a outside perspective. XF is a better workstation because Yamaha listen to their users!! And implement some modification to their keyboards. On Xf you can load samples and change tempo without changing the pitch and so many things. Just look at the arpegiators...7000 different patterns!!! And how many on G6? just count.. we won't need a extra pair of hands...
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