That's all for the G??? Roland can't be serious!

[Jimknopf]

To me it's completely ok if people are glad with what they got.

And it is just as ok if others see and name what is missing: not from a fantasy list of wishes, but from what belongs to the genuine concept of a product and is not updated in reasonable time, and then heavily disturbs the workflow for which the product had been designed...

[cyclops]

As far as I'm concerned, I consider myself as a more loyal Fantom-G user than someone that thinks that everything in the Fantom-G is perfect and it needs nothing else. And that's because I want it to be what it can truly be, in a word: awesome. Yeah, I strongly believe that the Fantom-G can become awesome, once the coders at Japan get to work and fix everything that can be fixed, and then some.

[chicks]

i'm not sheep... I'm a man with who knows exactly what I need in a keyboard... the G has most of it... thats why i have other instruments... I am also know full well that Roland could do a LOT more with their support of the G... i find it appalling that there is no SOLO button, I laugh at the "best of the SRX" included, another chuckle for the ARX so far... so no whining about what it can be or what it should/could be... i take it for what it IS and not for what the product video said it was or what the previous version was, or what other companies do... I am also very disappointed at Roland during NAMM and expected more but my G is staying... but Roland is going to have to do a LOT to get me to buy anything else from them of any kind... thats what i learned... I don't need to whine to a bunch of guys on the net... I'll would take it back and tell Roland why I did... I'm not saying it's perfect but if its THAT much of a hassle take it back... Don't talk about it, be about it...

[manishkurup]

Your attitude about not 'whining' but taking it back is fine with me chicks - In fact - I still havent bought the G - because it doesnt offer me a magnitude of improvements over my X. I heartily agree with you on chuckling carelessly at the minor hiccups in the G - but then you dont see me calling either the 'whiners' of the 'G Fanboys' 4 year old girls with dolls now, do ya?

But let it be known the 'whiners' are fine with me as well - Why? Because by your definition Im a 'whiner' (and proud of it) - and so is every member here that exposes a flaw that the G has.

IMO (and based on how I buy products) - the 'whiners' help me (and other consumers) make more calculated decisions. An informed consumer is a happy consumer.

Im sure the financial ruin that we're faced with globally today could have been minimised by 'informed consumers' empowered by the 'whiners' through a fair and unbiased media.

Just my 2c ...

Manish

[en76]

I agree with you Jimknopf; Work flow is the word for roland to consider cause months of incomplete is very expensive for cusomers and clients of customers in a sense...meaning less $$$$$ rfor C and less $$$$ for R.

[jessej]

But I don't want to take it back. It's full of patches I made. It's full of samples I sampled. It has around 50 unfinished songs on it. I charge 45-120€/h for my work and I see the hours I put into the Fantom G as an investment. Taking it back and starting over would be a huge investment loss.

I want Roland to address the bugs that still exist since launch and release an update. Like yesterday.. THEN they can start developing new features that makes working on it quicker and more intuitive and more productive and flexible. Every counter productive bug (or feature missing) in the Fantom G is just that.. counter productive.

It's a no-brainer really, everything the developement team and coders need to know is listed on this forum. All they need is sit down and write a todo list and get going.

If someone gives the address to the office where the Roland fantom G coder team work, I'll arrange so that they get a box of Red Bull delivered.

[chicks]

Let me make it a little more clear... there is a difference between whining and criticizing...

Criticisms - SOLO button, Scissors and Glue, Copying Live Sets to Studio sets, and any real bugs

Whining - The title of this thread, "I didn't want ARX brass, I wanted a VA Synth", "why won't Roland talk to me???", "how long do we have to wait for V2.0???" If you were to say any of these statements aloud, they would sound like a child whining...

I find Jessej, Quinxx, and the like to be well respected and learned people who have actual gripes and make them from a well informed opinion...

If you find your G or Roland impossible to live with take it back and get rid of Roland... how else is Roland supposed to know we are unhappy if we continue to use their product???

[Quinnx.]

Although we know the G still has faults and has only just come out of Beta with the last update..

One of the biggest BUGS!! right now is the pattern edit

you cannot Delete large parts of a pattern
and i think the same is true of copy..

essentially
I have to export to do that simple task

This has to be unforgivable!

It harks back to the Sequencer being incomplete again..

[Atlas5]

sorry derek, but my comment concerning the whining is an observation as compared to other sites/instrument.

The korg M3 had many issues, yet very little whining on the Karma Lab web site, lots of suggestion for better performance and issues to be resolve were raised. Korg has done a fine job update the instrument to meet the suggestions and performance issues. Most issues have been presented in a professional manner and not as threats or whining. I think the biggest complaint was people who were returning the M3 because it was just too much to learn/understand.

I am not suggesting the G is perfect, but it is a giant leap forward in many areas and I do expect continued development. and in response to others, it is not the end-all or be-all of any technology, in 30+ years of play with keyboards, I have yet to see such a thing. (but I don't own an Oasys yet).

As said many times, enjoy what you got, find work-arounds for things that dont work. If you can stand that, as I've previously posted, I have a free take-it-off-your-hands service. You ship it to me and your frustration will stop. And I'll except it for free, sorry you'll have to pay the shipping.

good luck with all your endeavors and keep on playing, just stop whining, it waste everyones time, even the whiner. Post you questions, Post your problems, post your solutions, tell everyone how great you are, tell Roland what to improve and maybe even how to improve their products.

[en76]

ARX- V piano will be best for the G- Sounds good to me. have listen..
http://www.rolandus.com/products/produc ... arentId=72

[Jimknopf]

Well, after Access saved my Namm 09 expectations, just because I happen to play a TI, I stumble upon more news like these:
http://www.sonicstate.com/news/2009/01/ ... -motif-xs/ or
http://www.sonicstate.com/news/2009/01/ ... s-further/

And I ask myself why the other two big workstations have been receiving massive(!) free updates and goodies - with the one exception of Roland workstation users.

Roland is even too avaricious to share stone old SRX (say: down to JV times) sample material, not even thinking of fresh material, which wouldn't be a bad idea either, no matter if paid or free.

Instead they offer some limited brass section at the price of a whole ARX card (until now as expensive as a whole Blofeld or Plugiator synth).

The difference in customer treatment is really raising up to ugly dimensions meanwhile. If you like your G as much as I do, these are no good times to feel treated well and have a good time (meaning: playing a workstation with an excellent basic layout and usability, developing rapidly). I wouldn't even care if the G was a finished product with an up-to-date and more or less complete OS and quality soundset. But it isn't, and this does not seem to push any G priorities in any way. Missing smf export had already been a really bad sloooww G experience. Now we get Fantom G(rave) experience once more. Slow motion company, doing too many things at a time they can't handle in time. I doubt people will appreciate so much diversity without proper care even for the workstation flagship...

[Anton]

I'm sad.......

[mateus]

Flag ship company Roland defacto has no support. It is to study and therefore I and several people around me half sell their machines and switching to another variant .. whether or yamaha Korg. It's bad, but access Roland is tragic and incomprehensible. Dan, you just about the company player and you got paid well, but I am not half like toys. The problem I see in that make the existence of G YEAR expand only one card is a comic and offends me as a customer by Roland deceived. So mark ROLAND never at home and I do not want better change to another brand, which will be taken care of me and not me cough as Roland. Of course I recommend to all of the field to avoid the Roland brand.

[shakil]

I have sold Fantom-X and didn't buy Fantom-G.

Got Roland MC808, Yamaha Motif ES, and Korg M3-m + Korg microKontrol. For a little more than what I got for Fantom-X.

What I miss?
1. Changing tracks while recording.
2. Editing Sounds + Drums from Sequencer

That's it.

[mateus]

it was right way.. absolutely