MultiSampling (without falling asleep)

[Doug Crazy]

I SOOOO want to get the Fantom. I Really do. But I just cant see paying all that money and not having a main feature(for me) that has a "non creativity killing" workflow . MULTI-SAMPLING. Having different samples on different keys is a disaster on the FG. I appreciate Dans video.. (Dan is the Man... indeed) but seriously... but I have yet to watch the whole thing without dozing off (no fault of Dans... its the workflow im talking about). I am a Roland Nut...so I refuse to get other keyboard workstations... my first was a W-30 back in 89-90. I just wish that sampling and getting them places on different keys ws faster... its really a creativity killer.

I may be spoiled from using my MV...

The point of this post is just to gain hope that a future update will make multisampling workflow much better.

Roland is lucky I am addicted...lol


Me and my MV

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzK7bH3-AVg

[rbarkhouse]

+1 on this one, I know what you mean. One of my first "work items" when I got my new Fantom was to set up was creating my own Mellotron string and choir samples (due to the lack of any decent presets, but that's another story)

I found the multisample edit screen to be really finicky, several times I ended up blowing away keyzones by mistake, eventually I learned to walk the tightrope of exactly what to do, in what order, and the end result was good. There also seemed to be some really weird kind of destructive autosaving going on that made it hard to undo mistakes, I was actually gonna write up a bug report for it.

I'm not a seasoned vet on using multisamplers but I think the edit page could definitely use some attention, it feels like kind of a "dark corner" of the Fantom OS that's still got some cobwebs to get rid of

p.s. Cool video!

Rick

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[needlz_]

+2 Please Fix!!!!

[firstlovedan]

I hear you guys. I will say however that "Audio Recording" on the G is really cool. Changing tempo, efx etc. But multi sampling could definately be improved on. I have an XS, and it seems much easier for the multisampling, but on the other hand, simple audio recording is as confusing on the XS, as the G's multisampling process! Maybe Yamaha and Roland should get together and exchange notes!
Firstlovedan

[Jimknopf]

The only way of doing multisampling on a Fantom G without falling asleep is YASE 2.1 from my view. Check it out, and you'll know what I mean...

[Dan Krisher]

There are much easier ways on the Fantom-G to easily sample two or three notes from an external source and create an entire patch. Same with assembling a sample set.

I did the current video as there was an expressed interest on how the dedicated Multisample mode in Pro Patch Edit worked. People wanted a detail video on that specifically.

But it is not the only, defacto, method for sampling sounds or creating rhythm sets in the Fantom-G.

Given this, its on my list of new videos to do. I just finished a really in-depth one on phrases. More on sampling, is on my huge To Do List, as well.

[vega]

I sold my MV8800 to get the FG. You have a similar work flow and sound that I do. Getting that good old Boop Bap together is MUCH EASIER with the MV. Believe me, the FG has takin me to new places as far as production goes but the MV has alot les "workaround" traits.

[Jimknopf]

Dan, nobody is critisizing your video approach. As you see from much feedback here, you are regarded as extremely helpful resource for using the Fantom G, including multisampling. Roland is profiting as much as the users from your presence here.

It's probably a normal thing, that while the more we really USE the Fantom G functions (and it's a great instrument to use), the more we detect the stumbling blocks, workarounds and missing functionality points.

So looking at multisamples, frankly, I rarely would use a multisample set based on merely 2 or 3 notes. For any serious multisample set based on some notes per octave I simply can't imagine getting by in a smooth way without a tool like Yase.

It's like with sequencing: with SMF export on board the G has arrived in the area of serious sequencing. But it's still quite a way to go before I wouldn't do by far most of any sequencing job on an external sequencer like Sonar. I would prefer to do more right at the instrument, but rather not like it works now. Right now the G sequencer is not much more than a handsome little musical sketchbook for fast recording of ideas to me, or a welcome smf player for rehearsing arrangements done with Sonar.

Anyway, after the last update I have regained some confindence into more update progress, even in the near future. I don't see wonders arriving tomorrow, but some sort of progress should be available after winter Namm 09.

[jessej]

Yes, **Thank You Dan** for all the videos and screenshot enabled how-to posts. They've really helped me personally out of some corners I've been stuck in.

I hope, on behalf of everyone, that we will still be seeing a lot more of them

Jimknopf "handsome little musical sketchbook". well said

I think it feels a bit that way too, I think it could be improved quite a lot.. but that is been discussed in many other threads too right now...

[vega]

The G's sequencer IS very functional. I've already produced, recorded vocals, mixed and mastered an entire album on it. Sure, it needs it's fixes but, it's not a fisher price DAW. I think people are turned off by it because all the negative feedback it gets so in turn they don't take the time to LEARN the machine. Anyways, a BIG thanks to DAN!!!!!!!!!!
my two cents

[Doug Crazy]

You mixed and mastered a whole album on it? Got a link so I can check it out. I have been waiting to hear what it sounds like when someone does the vocals in the Fantom and mixes it down to finished product.

[Jimknopf]

Vega, to me it's no indication of negativity if people stumble on missing basic(!) sequencer functionality and name it.

And it's not the single little annoyance (like having to press shift cursor instead of moving a phrase across tracks with the mouse as could be expected and would be normal) but the sum of the obstacles you face when using the sequencer which reduces it's practical value in the present state a lot.

I don't think that users like jessej, quinnx or others don't know how to handle it. It's rather the other way round: the more intense and skilfull people use the G, the more obvious obstacles (sequencer, mulisample patch building etc.) become in practical use.

I am interested in a link to your G produced album as well: it's always nice to hear what others achieve to do with the device...

[jessej]

Jimknopf wrote:
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And it's not the single little annoyance but the sum of the obstacles you face when using the sequencer which reduces it's practical value in the present state a lot.


Exactly. I feel just that way. I have been writing material (over 30 songs ) now for an album during the last 6 months with the Fantom G. It's the sum of all the little annoyances that gets to you, because they are slowing you down every day and eating away your positivity and energy. Life got a little better with the 1.20 OS update, but there is still a long to-do list of things to add and fix for Roland. And most of those things are so small, that they should be fixed already as it is soon 1 year of the release of the G.

[Doug Crazy]

Exactly... little stupid things like having already recorded audio tracks play back DRY while recording a new track (with solo with fx on)

This is like the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen...lol

Alot of singers LOVE to hear the vocals they laid down already... --WITH REVERB-- while recording their overdubs or other vocal things... this is like recording 101. To MAKE the already recorded tracks play back dry is almost funny. This brings the G's audio section in the sequencer to below basic status. Just my opinion though.

With that said.... if the G has an update that tackles the multisampling thing and the "dry audio tracks on playback" thing... then My money is then spent. Heres to hope;

[vega]

I posted 2 songs on my youtube site.
the one called GRIND is a track my boy M.D. raps on for my mixtape "DEEP FREEZE". vocals were recorded and mixed in the fantom g. It gives you a snippet that the FG can accomplish decent vocals.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TC20yAIl ... annel_page

The second song(boom bap saloon) is a beat i made last night on the FG. Sampled, chopped, sequenced all on the g. It's a classic Boom Bap track. enjoy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8F_XGlD ... annel_page



Hope this helps with your purchase decision.

Ima make some production Vids of making a beat start to finish. I wanna show people that this FG blows anything else away.