Hi,
When using the RD-700GX, I notice that several of my favorite patches are not the first patch that is selected when I press a tone button.
For example, I'd like to use the 'wah-wah' clavinet instead of the regular one as a default option. Or Tonewheel organ sound 5 is my next-to-favorite organ sound, and I would like to have it as the second tone of the organ patches.
Is there any way to achieve this? Possibly via set-ups, which I don't fully understand at this moment...?
Any way to change the order of the tones?
Re: Any way to change the order of the tones?
The order of the tones is set in memory.. that does not mean however you must scroll through them all to get the sounds you need. the rd700 has very few tones per category ..so really its selecting the category button and then using the scroll wheel.. but u can also..
1. learn the patch number and enable num-lock.
2. use setups for favourite songs.. and remember the setup number...setups remember layers/splits/tones/rhythms/tempo etc..
1. learn the patch number and enable num-lock.
2. use setups for favourite songs.. and remember the setup number...setups remember layers/splits/tones/rhythms/tempo etc..
Re: Any way to change the order of the tones?
hi, thanks for your answer. I'll try the set-ups first. Using the set-ups always looked to be a bit difficult when looking in the manual (many different keys to press), but perhaps that turns out to be quite easy.
Re: Any way to change the order of the tones?
Hi,
Isn't there really any other way to change the order of the tones? Or is there some way to change the order of setups?
In my band I'm using about 5 different setups in every song. We have 10 songs in our gigs' song list. We change the order of the songs in song list very often and I want to keep my setups in choronological order.
For example, if we move the last song of the upcoming concert to the first, do I have to save(=setup write) all those 50 setups 5 steps forward to places 6-55 (first the last 5 steps 50 -> 55, then 49 -> 54... ... 1-> 6) and then FINALLY save the last 5 to places 1-5??
Or what if I want to add one more setup to the second song of ours, to destination number 8. Do I have to move all the other setups one step forward one by one if don't want to replace any setup?
Or can I solve this problem via changing the Banks of the setups (this Bank A, B, C, D thing). I haven't yet undestood what's the purpose of the Banks...
I would really need some help... : /
Isn't there really any other way to change the order of the tones? Or is there some way to change the order of setups?
In my band I'm using about 5 different setups in every song. We have 10 songs in our gigs' song list. We change the order of the songs in song list very often and I want to keep my setups in choronological order.
For example, if we move the last song of the upcoming concert to the first, do I have to save(=setup write) all those 50 setups 5 steps forward to places 6-55 (first the last 5 steps 50 -> 55, then 49 -> 54... ... 1-> 6) and then FINALLY save the last 5 to places 1-5??
Or what if I want to add one more setup to the second song of ours, to destination number 8. Do I have to move all the other setups one step forward one by one if don't want to replace any setup?
Or can I solve this problem via changing the Banks of the setups (this Bank A, B, C, D thing). I haven't yet undestood what's the purpose of the Banks...
I would really need some help... : /
Re: Any way to change the order of the tones?
The order of tones can't be changed. The tones are IMHO not really meant to be used as your default playing mode.
Setup is the way to go because there you can save your edits for the tones, make splits or layers if you need them and also there you can change the effects, the keybed behavior and other things.
Unfortunately, the guys at Roland still don't have a clue what users need on stage, so they still limit a keyboard which can contain thousands of tones (with srx expansion cards), but they only give as a ridiculous limit of having only 100 setups which can be edited. It seems to be a big rocket science for Roland. Just look at their keyboards. Only the Fantom G has 500 user rewritable memory locations. All other keyboards are still limited to 64 performances like on the D50 25 years ago, or 128 with additional memory cards.
There is no way to change the order of setups because once you overwrite one setup, there is no way to reload it from a usb memory because you can only load the whole setup list and not single setups out from a complete setup save. Again, they put a file system into the rd700gx like on those computers from the sixties in the last century. And there is no librarian editor. They made a librarian editor for the Fantom G which has a screen size of an average computer screen ten years ago, but the don't give an editor for the rd700gx with its tiny screen and limited file options.
@corea
I have programmed my setups for all my songs we play live. Some songs use more than one setup. I don't change the order of setups and personally I don't need that. I simply call the setup for a dedicated song by typing the number of the first setup. There is usually enough time before the song starts. Calling up a setup requires no more than 2-3 seconds. If I have more than one setup for a song (chorus-verse-bridge-end), I simply use a switch pedal and change the setup right before I need it.
Setup is the way to go because there you can save your edits for the tones, make splits or layers if you need them and also there you can change the effects, the keybed behavior and other things.
Unfortunately, the guys at Roland still don't have a clue what users need on stage, so they still limit a keyboard which can contain thousands of tones (with srx expansion cards), but they only give as a ridiculous limit of having only 100 setups which can be edited. It seems to be a big rocket science for Roland. Just look at their keyboards. Only the Fantom G has 500 user rewritable memory locations. All other keyboards are still limited to 64 performances like on the D50 25 years ago, or 128 with additional memory cards.
There is no way to change the order of setups because once you overwrite one setup, there is no way to reload it from a usb memory because you can only load the whole setup list and not single setups out from a complete setup save. Again, they put a file system into the rd700gx like on those computers from the sixties in the last century. And there is no librarian editor. They made a librarian editor for the Fantom G which has a screen size of an average computer screen ten years ago, but the don't give an editor for the rd700gx with its tiny screen and limited file options.
@corea
I have programmed my setups for all my songs we play live. Some songs use more than one setup. I don't change the order of setups and personally I don't need that. I simply call the setup for a dedicated song by typing the number of the first setup. There is usually enough time before the song starts. Calling up a setup requires no more than 2-3 seconds. If I have more than one setup for a song (chorus-verse-bridge-end), I simply use a switch pedal and change the setup right before I need it.
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Re: Any way to change the order of the tones?
you can also create a favorites list for your setups. These can be listed in the order that you choose. Save the setup you want 1st in the favorites menu, then save the 2nd, and so on. It lists it in the manual which I don't have in front of me at this moment. Also, I personally can't see how needing more than a hundred setups during a gig would be that big of an issue. It's been quite some time since I've seen a 100 song performance from a band. Even if you need more setups; they can be saved to usb stick, and loaded very quickly. I have a couple usb sticks labeled for different situations. They are dirt cheap now, and a setup takes a very small space on the stick.
John Sr.
John Sr.
Re: Any way to change the order of the tones?
@John Cagle Sr.
Please, remember that I mentioned more than one setup per song. I even use up to 5 setups for a song because I can't put all sounds into one setup because there is a) not enough place on the keybed and b) I can put only 4 sounds at once into one setup.
I'm using only the RD700GX so it has to play all the sounds I need for the songs. Right now my band and the singer have some 40 songs for our concerts and I'm at number 87!
Again, one song doesn't mean one setup. I maybe need only 2 different setups, but I use 5 memory locations, one after the other, so that I can change the setups with a switch pedal.
If a song has the structure chorus-verse-chorus-verse-chorus, I maybe need two setups, one for the chorus and the other for the verse, but I will use 5 memory locations so that I can switch thru the song sheme with the switch pedal. I prefer to do the setup changing with a pedal, so that my hands are focused to playing.
Now to the usb stick:
excuse me, but I don't really see how this could be even an option for a live performance. My singer is often changing the song list during the live performance, depending on the reaction of the audience. Where should I get the time to go into the loading mode and wait until the setup is loaded if the setup for a song is on a different file because it didn't fit into the first setup file which is loaded? Should my singer tell a story or a joke to the audience while I'm loading setups from the usb. Man, it is not about the price of an usb stick. I'm a musician and not a file loading manager. I want to play and be focused on my job at stage and not fiddle with limitations on an instrument just because Roland can count only to number 32, 64 or 100.
Besides that, there are people who only need 3 sounds during the whole concert, and there are people who need more than 3 or 5 setups for a single song. Personally, I never try to convince somebody that 10, 100 or 500 of something is enough because I never saw a list somewhere. Roland could have implement more than 100 setups, but they decide not to do after even 3 versions of the rd700 series. With 200 or 300 locations there would be no harm for those who don't need it, and those who need it would be satisfied.
Please, remember that I mentioned more than one setup per song. I even use up to 5 setups for a song because I can't put all sounds into one setup because there is a) not enough place on the keybed and b) I can put only 4 sounds at once into one setup.
I'm using only the RD700GX so it has to play all the sounds I need for the songs. Right now my band and the singer have some 40 songs for our concerts and I'm at number 87!
Again, one song doesn't mean one setup. I maybe need only 2 different setups, but I use 5 memory locations, one after the other, so that I can change the setups with a switch pedal.
If a song has the structure chorus-verse-chorus-verse-chorus, I maybe need two setups, one for the chorus and the other for the verse, but I will use 5 memory locations so that I can switch thru the song sheme with the switch pedal. I prefer to do the setup changing with a pedal, so that my hands are focused to playing.
Now to the usb stick:
excuse me, but I don't really see how this could be even an option for a live performance. My singer is often changing the song list during the live performance, depending on the reaction of the audience. Where should I get the time to go into the loading mode and wait until the setup is loaded if the setup for a song is on a different file because it didn't fit into the first setup file which is loaded? Should my singer tell a story or a joke to the audience while I'm loading setups from the usb. Man, it is not about the price of an usb stick. I'm a musician and not a file loading manager. I want to play and be focused on my job at stage and not fiddle with limitations on an instrument just because Roland can count only to number 32, 64 or 100.
Besides that, there are people who only need 3 sounds during the whole concert, and there are people who need more than 3 or 5 setups for a single song. Personally, I never try to convince somebody that 10, 100 or 500 of something is enough because I never saw a list somewhere. Roland could have implement more than 100 setups, but they decide not to do after even 3 versions of the rd700 series. With 200 or 300 locations there would be no harm for those who don't need it, and those who need it would be satisfied.
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John Cagle Sr.
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Re: Any way to change the order of the tones?
mojkarma,
sometimes things can be taken in a different light, than they are meant, when communicating through forums. I was in no way trying to slight you, or anyone else who might want to use 100's of setups/tones/ect. I did seem to overlook your mention of using several different tones in the same song. If you'll look through all my posts on this forum; you'll see that I meant no disrespect. I wish I knew the answer to your question; but I don't. Good luck.
John
I just re-read my post, and yours, just to gleen the spirit of it, and I feel the need to add the following:
I responded to your post, trying ONLY to help answer your questions. I niether tried to convince you to use only 100 setups, or use a usb stick. I merely threw it out there. Then you saw fit to lecture me about your stage show, and see my post as only a personal attack on you. As far as how gigs go; I've been playing for 47 years now, and I realize it's not always scripted, but even the major acts have a set list. Again; I was only trying to lend a hand. You took it differently than it was meant.
sometimes things can be taken in a different light, than they are meant, when communicating through forums. I was in no way trying to slight you, or anyone else who might want to use 100's of setups/tones/ect. I did seem to overlook your mention of using several different tones in the same song. If you'll look through all my posts on this forum; you'll see that I meant no disrespect. I wish I knew the answer to your question; but I don't. Good luck.
John
I just re-read my post, and yours, just to gleen the spirit of it, and I feel the need to add the following:
I responded to your post, trying ONLY to help answer your questions. I niether tried to convince you to use only 100 setups, or use a usb stick. I merely threw it out there. Then you saw fit to lecture me about your stage show, and see my post as only a personal attack on you. As far as how gigs go; I've been playing for 47 years now, and I realize it's not always scripted, but even the major acts have a set list. Again; I was only trying to lend a hand. You took it differently than it was meant.
Re: Any way to change the order of the tones?
John,
I didn't feel insulted by your post and my intention was not to teach you in any way.
Please, remember what you wrote:
"Also, I personally can't see how needing more than a hundred setups during a gig would be that big of an issue."
and this:
"Even if you need more setups; they can be saved to usb stick, and loaded very quickly."
I simply tried to explain you how I use setups live because the rd700gx is my only keyboard on stage and I also tried to explain to you how loading something from somewhere is not an option during a show or a concert.
I like my rd700gx generally very much, but the fact that Roland struggles with user memory at a time when the competition provides a couple of hundred or even tousands of user memory locations drives my crazy.
I didn't feel insulted by your post and my intention was not to teach you in any way.
Please, remember what you wrote:
"Also, I personally can't see how needing more than a hundred setups during a gig would be that big of an issue."
and this:
"Even if you need more setups; they can be saved to usb stick, and loaded very quickly."
I simply tried to explain you how I use setups live because the rd700gx is my only keyboard on stage and I also tried to explain to you how loading something from somewhere is not an option during a show or a concert.
I like my rd700gx generally very much, but the fact that Roland struggles with user memory at a time when the competition provides a couple of hundred or even tousands of user memory locations drives my crazy.
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John Cagle Sr.
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Re: Any way to change the order of the tones?
mojkarma,
sorry about things getting off to a bad start. We are all musicians just sharing stuff here. I know how frustrating it can be when you have an instrument that you like, but it misses the mark in some areas. Good luck my friend; you sound like a serious player, and I'm sure your going to find some way to bring it all around as close as possible to what your looking for.
John
sorry about things getting off to a bad start. We are all musicians just sharing stuff here. I know how frustrating it can be when you have an instrument that you like, but it misses the mark in some areas. Good luck my friend; you sound like a serious player, and I'm sure your going to find some way to bring it all around as close as possible to what your looking for.
John
Re: Any way to change the order of the tones?
@ Mojkarna:
"I simply use a switch pedal and change the setup right before I need it. "
A simple and short question:
How do you assign the switch pedal to work like that? I tried hard to find the answer from the manual but without success.
Sorry about the off-topic..
"I simply use a switch pedal and change the setup right before I need it. "
A simple and short question:
How do you assign the switch pedal to work like that? I tried hard to find the answer from the manual but without success.
Sorry about the off-topic..
Re: Any way to change the order of the tones?
I don't have the RD in front of me. You press edit, and then the first topic is system or something like that. There you have options for the PEDAL MODE. Turn it to System (not Setup). Than you can choose which parameters the pedal will control.
It is explained in the user manual at page 106-108.
It is explained in the user manual at page 106-108.