VC3 - JV-1010

[RAMMANR88]

YOU WIN!

appologies to everyone here i no when im outnumbered. ill stick to ripping off old ideas. there obviously are no rappers in here soooo. Ill just leave.

peace, no hard feelings, just the wrong club!

Rammanr88

[anti_pulse]

Artemio: "BTW, pulse, ya messd up XLR and USB hookz u sucker, I mean, bruthr! )) "...

Yeah- it was on purpose. I worked ar guitar center and had someone ask me for a "midi to XLR" cable...

RAMMAN... You don't gotta get all butt hurt and leave. I was just firing back at you. Can't handle it? I was just offering an idea and you had to go be rude- so you got served like a motherf*cker . And you may think my music sucks- but I don't think you understand the genre of noise or avant garde (by the way- every drum hit and kick was made with pure synthesis- no bread and butter sampling- something that you couldn't touch with a stick). I'll put you up to a beat battle- you name the genre just so you can even have the upper hand. You seem to doubt my skills as a producer and musician- so lets do it- 16 bar loops- no record dipping (cuz you fools will yank a whole fucking four bars from a song and throw a hard kick on top with some keys and say you made it.)... if you sample it has to be for the purpose of single drum hits and verbal sample- if you are up to it then we can do it. But if you "just not feeling up to it" I understand where you are at. Come on- you want to try and diss my shit- then put something on it. Nobody here is saying you don't have a place here- just not that stupid know-it-all-cotton-in-you-ears but-should-be-in-your-mouth-atittude- have some humilty and respect and you will get the same in return.

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[RAMMANR88]

you prejudge me into one of those monkeys u used to peddle used akia gear to but i passed all my gc certifications in kbs + pro audio and I respect your music.....ALL music.

but as you put it "I understand where you are at."

if you did, you would have been on the same page as im thinking; own a XT and would want to do beats at different places, at the bus stop, in the car, 1st class jet plugged into the laptop facilities....

and yeah i dissed you, but so would kanye--(cuz you fools will yank a whole fucking four bars from a song and throw a hard kick on top with some keys and say you made it.)... and he is number 1 choppin up old records. you a seasoned vet at what you do? then I will give you respect. I kinda liked what i heard but you slamed the door in my face buy sayin i wanted GREAD n butter and such like you know 4 sure it is IMPOSSIBLE to squeeze a roland rompler in a pcmcia slot. and im done.....

as far as rap goes im always THE funkiest but theres alot of bull crap to produce B4 you can change the way the wind blows. im not gonna be able to battle you cause you helped crushed the NEXT level sh**.

i dont wanna hold on to this dream of a fantom with a V sign on it anymore. i no it wont happen this year especially when i post it i get rejected by the tribe.

b4 i go to ebay any offers will be looked at, i havent smoked or smudged it.

peace

Rammanr88

[anti_pulse]

Awww man- here I was filtering some kicks and toms and eq'ing some snares and hats, had a couple of bass lines ready, some nice reverberous strings, a dope clavier preset tweaked a little. I even pulled out some KRS1 and yanked a few samples to chop... I had my tracker all fired up (what do you know about tracking- you down with hacking on some hexidecimals or what?)... and then now you aren't even going to put up a beat?! Come on man, all that jive turkey talk and nothing to back it up... I was hoping I would get to hear some of that bread and butter you keep squaking about. Well, whenever you are up to it, post the track and I'll fire back- rap, rnb, jungle, noise, industrial, techno, whatever you want- I'll match you...

But until then, here are a couple of things to remember...

"and yeah i dissed you, but so would kanye"- no no- you and Kanye got dissed...

"i dont wanna hold on to this dream of a fantom with a V sign on it anymore. i no it wont happen this year especially when i post it i get rejected by the tribe."- V-tribe doesn't represent roland corporation, we are merely users of the instruments- so go get you a fantom or whatever.

"I kinda liked what i heard but you slamed the door in my face buy sayin i wanted GREAD n butter"- lay off the petty blows, it doesn't compare to the embarrasment you cause yourself, and I wish I could say that I kinda liked what I heard of your music- BUT YOU WON'T BATTLE.

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[Hugo]

Hey anti_pulse, what tracker do you use? I'm from the Fasttracker school myself, so I still rely on trackers when doing most of my programming. My favourite is Buzz.

[anti_pulse]

Right now I'm into Renoise. To tell the truth I'm only 23 and this is my second tracker. But I knew some hex from hacking on snes games and hex files, so I thought I would give tracking a shot, and to my suprise I like programming on it better than in something like cubase- and a drum roll is kinda hard to beat. I always thought that trackers were for the old school fellas or trendy hipsters who used them for novelty reasons (just to say they did)- but I understand the bragging rights to it now. It such a different and perfect way to create electronic music- nice and cold. I wish everybody was aware of how well and fast they produce. I also kinda like the idea that tracking is a conspiracy against DJ's so that they have trouble matching complicated crazy beats that were made with trackers.

Edit: I messed around with buzz for a second too- I liked that one as well, but got hooked on the constant updates and software compatibility of renoise...

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[Hugo]

"I also kinda like the idea that tracking is a conspiracy against DJ's so that they have trouble matching complicated crazy beats that were made with trackers."

Haha! Yeah, it probably is I've been into trackers since about '92, so it's very difficult to get into the more 'linear' sequencing you find in traditional sequencers, you know..? Plus I find tracking to be the best way to program music anyway, so no problems there. Renoise seemed very cool, but I decided to stick with Buzz. I'm having a bit of dfficulties with midi in Buzz, though, how is that implmented in Renoise?

[anti_pulse]

I have had nothing but tight midi implementation with Emu asio drivers and my 1212m--> hardware synths. It seems like everybody using external midi gear has a few problems with midi and trackers- which I guess makes sense as trackers always seemed like more of an internal sample player/sequencer, so nobody ever really brought it up too much in the past, so nobody gave much thought in development (just what I figure). All the guys on the renoise forums who have any problems with midi are using directsound, and wdm... I get about 4 ms with my 1212, so I get really good playback. You use an emu emulator x right?

Edit: Oh- I forgot to mention, try slaving something like midi yoke or midi ox from buzz, then to your hardware... I do this with ableton live sometimes since rewire hasn't been implemented yet into most trackers (that I know of)- If you absolutly must, you could also slave another sequencer via midi ox and then to your hardware- this is a solid workaround, cause inside the computer there isn't going to be latency between master and slave programs, and if you have sequencer that you know to work well with your hardware, then you should get better midi timings from there rather than straight from your tracker (in theory and assuming that you you have any sequencers that will accept being in slave mode to another program other than itself- for example, this wouldn't work in cubase cause it won't slave to anything but itself from another computer)...

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[anti_pulse]

...and you probably already know/checked- but don't forget to make sure your midi device is set to slave to clock rather than run on it's own- just in case you forgot.

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[Hugo]

Yeah, that's a good tip - I haven't really tried that. So what I should do is sync up Sonar to Buzz via Midi Yoke, and have my hw sequenced by Sonar...? That should be a very nice solution. What I do now is program sequences in Sonar, then record as audio before importing the audio files in Buzz.
Which isn't really ideal.
I'll have to look further into this.

And, yeah, I'm using an Emulator X Studio. I've only recently started using the sampler, and it seems very capable.
Did you get to check out the update to version II of Emulator X? Cuz I think it'll be available also for the 1212, and it seems to be totally kick-a** Automated sampling, mapping and looping, Transform Multiply (a kind of 'morph' function), filter design tool etc etc..

[Hugo]

Yeah, that's a good tip - I haven't really tried that. So what I should do is sync up Sonar to Buzz via Midi Yoke, and have my hw sequenced by Sonar...? That should be a very nice solution. What I do now is program sequences in Sonar, then record as audio before importing the audio files in Buzz.
Which isn't really ideal.
I'll have to look further into this.

And, yeah, I'm using an Emulator X Studio. I've only recently started using the sampler, and it seems very capable.
Did you get to check out the update to version II of Emulator X? Cuz I think it'll be available also for the 1212, and it seems to be totally kick-a** Automated sampling, mapping and looping, Transform Multiply (a kind of 'morph' function), filter design tool etc etc..

[E-smile-Z]

naaa who needs that...why not a really synthetic DRUMmaschien!!!!!!!!! kinda elktron maschiendrum...roland made classic drummaschiens!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[anti_pulse]

Well, I think it's a problem with how the trackers kick out midi data, and plus if you are more comfortable with programming in a tracker, then i would go buzz>midi yoke>sonar, but if you do it vice versa, you can use buzz as an indepent instrument via sonar with it's own sequencer (this way you have both linear and non-linear sequncing available at the same time for a track... these trackers are quite adaptive and parasytic- here's a quick little tutorial on hooking up cubase, but should work the generally same with sonar and buzz in the order you had mentioned:


Here's how.

1) Download MIDI Yoke which is a virtual MIDI cable application that allows two MIDI applications to communicate with each other.

Get it here:
http://www.midiox.com/index.htm?http:// ... /myoke.htm

2) Once installed and you have rebooted your machine, open Cubase SX.

3) On the menu choose, Transport, then Sync Setup

4) Set Sync options as follows

Timecode Source: (ignore this)
Machine Control: MIDI Machine Control
Options: (ignore this)

MIDI Machine Control Settings

Input: MIDI Yoke NT 2 [Emulated]
Output: MIDI Yoke NT 1 [Emulated]

(I use seperate channels to avoid bottlenecks).

Send MIDI Timecode

(ignore this)

Send MIDI Clock

Set this to MIDI Yoke NT 1 [Emulated]

5) Now load up Renoise

6) Go to the Pattern Editor and turn on MIDI Slave

7) Click on Configs

8) Click on MIDI

9) MIDIClock Slave Settings

Set In Device to MIDI Yoke NT: 1


That's it...Now Cubase will control Renoise so they will start and stop simultaneously and Renoise will use the same BPM as Cubase!
... the only problem is that cubase won't let another app be the master clock, but I'm not too sure about sonar... if sonar does, then you could do the method so that it is being sequenced by buzz letting sonar kick out the tighter midi data....


"naaa who needs that...why not a really synthetic DRUMmaschien!!!!!!!!! kinda elktron maschiendrum...roland made classic drummaschiens!!!!!!!!!!!!!1"

Cause then we are back to bread and butter with a variable kick and snare... plus it's a matter of preference of sequencing style rather than the sound set in a drum machine- like say hugo want's to use a drum machine like you had mentioned, but thinks the sequencer on it sucks for programming full tracks, well then he would hook it up to his tracker or another host... see what we are trying to do now?

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[Hugo]

Thanks for the setup guide anti_pulse, you the man!
I'll try this tomorrow and let you know how it went.

Thanx!

[anti_pulse]

"And, yeah, I'm using an Emulator X Studio. I've only recently started using the sampler, and it seems very capable.
Did you get to check out the update to version II of Emulator X? Cuz I think it'll be available also for the 1212, and it seems to be totally kick-a** Automated sampling, mapping and looping, Transform Multiply (a kind of 'morph' function), filter design tool etc etc.."

I haven't checked it out yet- I want to, but i'm kinda scared I might like it better than kontakt- which I just dropped $400 on. I wanted to ask you a couple of things. Have you used the new emulator X as a vst within a tracker? And I was also wondering if buzz supported multiple audio outputs and aliases in single midi tracks, cuase I want to utilize my multitimbral vst's- Like kontakt will let me use multi-outputs on kits so I can use other vst's to process them, but renoise won't let me do that, they have multiple aliases, which lets me use several midi channels on one (tracker)/track- which is cool for multitimbral synths- but I want the audio outputs to go with the aliases. I hate having to Load multiple instances of kontakt when I could very well have all my instruments in one interface you know? That's the only thing I miss about cubase. Jesus- how many times can I say multi?

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