AP Synthesis for user-PCM oscillators?

[s.asad]

Maybe I missed it in the manual, but can I apply, let's say, the AP-Synthesis "Flute" modeling type, to my own solo-encoded stereo wind samples ??

If this is the case, would there be any restrictions on encoding type, and the applicability of various AP-Synthesis modeling type, to patches with multiple encodings in seperate zones ??

Thanks in advance.

[Artemiy]

I can't see this in the manual yet, so we'll have to wait until someone here gets his hands on the real thing

[Watermelon]

AP-S runs its own set of waveforms through its own set of models. "Variphrased" waveforms and user samples are not accessible from the AP-S section itself.

[stevie]

That doesn't make any sense at all not to support user samples - e.g a flute would still need a flute sample which was variphrased (unless it's a multisample) as one of the oscs - either way it still needs to run the AP model on a sample - if user samples aren't supported then the V GT is looking like a very immature and very poorly thought out effort by Roland. Not liking what I'm reading so far.

Steve

[Artemiy]

Well we can't blame anyone if we don't know what's behind making an AP oscillator. Maybe these are modeled waveforms? I guess so.

[stevie]

But what's the point of implementing such functionality if it can 'only' work on internal waveforms and only a few it seems at that? - that's a bit like saying you can't use filters on your user samplers on a Rompler.

Not making any sense at all. This is really disappointing, it seems there is nothing new in the V GT at all - and this is after five years since the launch of the original!

Sounds like (pun intended) Roland had too many V synth cores lying around the factory, so they thought how can we sell them now we've bought them from our suppliers, I know, put two in one box, add a couple of phrase models and charge £2100 - sorry if this seems harsh, but if what's been discussed recently is true, then Roland need a kick up the ......

On the bright side though, I won't have to part with my XT which means I can get something else!

Steve

[Artemiy]

I consider this discussion having no point since we do not know what AP synthesis has to offer yet. Let's wait for the GT and see (I mean, hear).

[stevie]

Point taken.

[Artemiy]

[Watermelon]

To balance with my initial comment... The output of the AP-S engine sounds truly beautiful. AP-S synthesizes not only the "sound" of individual instrument notes but also what happens between them (the transitions from one note to the other). That's what Roland claims and it apparently works!

Personnaly, I have been surprised with some other sonic characteristics of AP-S:

A very natural vibrato... nothing like a vibrato frozen in the sample itself (or worse, a LFO routed to the pitch). I also noticed how vibrato dissapears in a subtle way when bending a note. I then realized that indeed, sliding a finger while keeping the vibrato running may not be the easiest thing to perform for a violin player It's subtle, but I felt it made a huge difference in terms of playability and expressivity. I enjoyed playing melodies only with the bender (and the erhu chinese violin model).

Gradual moving from one dynamic (pp) to the other (ff). No sample switching here! No audible steps.

By diving into the AP-S parameters, I found a way to control the amount of noise inherent to a given sound: the breath/blow noise in a flute, the scrape of a violin... I could turn a gentle flute sound into a totally different earthy/breathy pipe by the move of a single knob. Or turn a classical violin into a gipsy/folk thing. Very enjoyable feature and useful again!

[stevie]

Do you work for Roland Watermelon??

As far as I was aware, the GTs haven't hit the streets anywhere yet - what's your story.

Still doesn't get explain why you can't use AP synth with user samples....

Steve

[midi]

I just ordered one here, they had 2 in stock:

http://www.americanmusical.com/item--i- ... NTHGT.html

[Artemiy]

AFAIK GT is available in some places in limited quantities. I guess Watermelon has been sleeping near the doors of such a store for several days (or weeks?) and got one.

[mch]

AP-S runs its own set of waveforms through its own set of models. "Variphrased" waveforms and user samples are not accessible from the AP-S section itself

surprise surpise . . . .

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[Artemiy]

mch:

Next time, please be careful with what you're saying! Being impolite will never make anyone respect you.