Juno-G to Super Juno
Juno-G to Super Juno
I have loved this synth since the first time I laid eyes on it. It has a few minor issues for me but the positives far outweigh the negatives. It is light and sounds great. It fills the needs of live performance, composition superbly and integrates well into a computer recording environment. But for me the main asset is the interface which provides almost effortless access to most of the available features and makes midi tracking a breeze.I haven't worked yet much with the audio aspects, but I suspect they will be adequate for minor tasks. Now let's take this a step further and project a future product I like to call the Super Juno. It will add aftertouch to the keyboard, drum pads, a full blown SH-201, automatic return to zero or marker playback/record and at least three more SRX slots. Sounds a lot like a Fantom sure, but I like the Juno interface better. Does this appeal to anyone else out there?
Re: Juno-G to Super Juno
you can dream if you want to ...
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Roland Fantom X7, Alesis Fusion 6HD, Novation X/A-Station 25, Alesis Micron
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Roland Fantom X7, Alesis Fusion 6HD, Novation X/A-Station 25, Alesis Micron
Re: Juno-G to Super Juno
And I do. : )
By the way, how do you like the Fusion? That was the keyboard I first wanted to get before I saw the Juno-G. And actually I didn't get the Juno-G then but got the Korg microx instead. And although I like the microx, I took it back to get the Juno.
By the way, how do you like the Fusion? That was the keyboard I first wanted to get before I saw the Juno-G. And actually I didn't get the Juno-G then but got the Korg microx instead. And although I like the microx, I took it back to get the Juno.
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I too prefer Juno's interface compared to the Fantoms, the LCD is smaller but more dedicated buttons and a straightforward sequencer/mixer integration makes you get your ideas into it faster. But anyway, a virtual analog engine should indeed get itself into new boards, although I assume Roland will have to use a dual DSP for it, one for the PCM engine and another for the VA.
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I've never had a problem getting my ideas down quickly on the Fantom X ...
But as much as I dis the Juno-G, I'd agree that it picked up a few useful interface buttons as it got severely cutdown from the Fantom X. (That said, anybody looking for a better workstation experience with the G over the X is in a blissful state of self-delusion.)
TSUMO,
I like the Fusion very much as a complement to the Fantom X ... I'm not sure I'd love it as much on its own -- sonically, I find it somewhat inferior to the X, though the FM and VA sections are VERY nice and powerful -- but it has A LOT of features and is a pretty nifty all-in-one solution with a few shortcomings for me (lack of re-sampling/mixdown being the biggest one.)
If I had to choose between a Juno-G and Fusion, it would be a tough choice, as the Juno-G judged by itself is a very capable machine with a great sound engine at its heart. (However, yesterday Guitar Center was offering the Fusion 6HD for $499!)
In short, I'd say the two machines are very comparable but for different reasons.
Still, when it comes down to it TSUMO, it's not what you have, it's what you do with it.
Good luck with your music-making!
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Roland Fantom X7, Alesis Fusion 6HD, Novation X/A-Station 25, Alesis Micron
But as much as I dis the Juno-G, I'd agree that it picked up a few useful interface buttons as it got severely cutdown from the Fantom X. (That said, anybody looking for a better workstation experience with the G over the X is in a blissful state of self-delusion.)
TSUMO,
I like the Fusion very much as a complement to the Fantom X ... I'm not sure I'd love it as much on its own -- sonically, I find it somewhat inferior to the X, though the FM and VA sections are VERY nice and powerful -- but it has A LOT of features and is a pretty nifty all-in-one solution with a few shortcomings for me (lack of re-sampling/mixdown being the biggest one.)
If I had to choose between a Juno-G and Fusion, it would be a tough choice, as the Juno-G judged by itself is a very capable machine with a great sound engine at its heart. (However, yesterday Guitar Center was offering the Fusion 6HD for $499!)
In short, I'd say the two machines are very comparable but for different reasons.
Still, when it comes down to it TSUMO, it's not what you have, it's what you do with it.
Good luck with your music-making!
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Roland Fantom X7, Alesis Fusion 6HD, Novation X/A-Station 25, Alesis Micron
Not superiority – just simplicity
(While it’s a kind of chocolate with a bitter taste…)
Personally I’d like Roland to get advantages of the past models to the new ones.
With XP-50 or JV-1080 you pressed Edit (or Parameter – 1080) button and by the second press you were right in the section you wanted to edit.
With Juno-G the second press (“PRO” edit) always brings you to the TVF Parameter – what a heaven forrrr? Why do I need to scro-o-ollll everytime? Juno is Goddess and I’m that much of a sinner? (The simple way could be: by pressing EDIT (Patch) button you get to “Pro” edit, and, in this mode, by turning any knob you get to Zoomy-zoomy paradise.)
Two.
You could make the JV/XP or XV device wake up on the exact patch or performance where you turned it off. With the new ones (since Fantom S) you cannot. Great! Thank you, Roland!
Three.
The XPs had worcable sliders. So why that knoby jentleness?
Four.
XP-60/80 had a dedicated metronome output. Let it be just another individual output, but let it be. Or make it an option. (JV-1080 has six analog outs, and XR – only four…???)
With XPs pedal switch was assignable. With the new Fantoms and Juno-G it’s not (it’s called Hold pedal)?
I like Juno-G very much over XP-50, but – see the written above.
Personally I’d like Roland to get advantages of the past models to the new ones.
With XP-50 or JV-1080 you pressed Edit (or Parameter – 1080) button and by the second press you were right in the section you wanted to edit.
With Juno-G the second press (“PRO” edit) always brings you to the TVF Parameter – what a heaven forrrr? Why do I need to scro-o-ollll everytime? Juno is Goddess and I’m that much of a sinner? (The simple way could be: by pressing EDIT (Patch) button you get to “Pro” edit, and, in this mode, by turning any knob you get to Zoomy-zoomy paradise.)
Two.
You could make the JV/XP or XV device wake up on the exact patch or performance where you turned it off. With the new ones (since Fantom S) you cannot. Great! Thank you, Roland!
Three.
The XPs had worcable sliders. So why that knoby jentleness?
Four.
XP-60/80 had a dedicated metronome output. Let it be just another individual output, but let it be. Or make it an option. (JV-1080 has six analog outs, and XR – only four…???)
With XPs pedal switch was assignable. With the new Fantoms and Juno-G it’s not (it’s called Hold pedal)?
I like Juno-G very much over XP-50, but – see the written above.
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I agree. Had they made the Fantom with some of those features of the XP, it would be like heaven for me. In fact this is the only reason I still use my XP-60 (and have a spare) faithfully.
I'm not bashing the Fantom, this is just my opinion. In fact, I love all other aspects of the Fantom.
Kenny
I'm not bashing the Fantom, this is just my opinion. In fact, I love all other aspects of the Fantom.
Kenny
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That does seem to be the way of Roland (and the world) for features to fall in and out of fashion ...
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Roland Fantom X7, Alesis Fusion 6HD, Novation X/A-Station 25, Alesis Micron
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Roland Fantom X7, Alesis Fusion 6HD, Novation X/A-Station 25, Alesis Micron
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I'm looking for the "super Fantom" at NAMM in 4 weeks. Hopefully with the SH-201 engine included. Roland workstations need some Roland virtual analog built in.
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Diametro.,
(However, yesterday Guitar Center was offering the Fusion 6HD for $499!)
Are you sure that Fusion 6 was offered at 499 when others selling at 999 ???
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Fantom X6 (fully maxed)....Triton Extreme....Edirol MA-15D monitors....Yamaha 03D....
Protools Digi002R....Reason 3....
Custom made PC....
(However, yesterday Guitar Center was offering the Fusion 6HD for $499!)
Are you sure that Fusion 6 was offered at 499 when others selling at 999 ???
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Fantom X6 (fully maxed)....Triton Extreme....Edirol MA-15D monitors....Yamaha 03D....
Protools Digi002R....Reason 3....
Custom made PC....
Re: Juno-G to Super Juno
The XP-60 is a great keyboard. It's my main synth. The Juno is inferior to the XP as a controller, so it can't replace it. Plus I really don't like the keyboard on the Juno. That is my main gripe with it. The keys feel smaller and I don't like the action. That and the sequencer not having auto return. But it is sooo easy to lay tracks with. The sequencer is almost as intuitive to use as the MC-500.
I wanted a small but powerful writing tool that I could travel with easily. The Juno fit the bill better than anything else out there. For me anyway. If the MicroX had a sequencer I would've kept it. But that orange carrying case made me feel so self conscious. I wanted to paint it.
I wanted a small but powerful writing tool that I could travel with easily. The Juno fit the bill better than anything else out there. For me anyway. If the MicroX had a sequencer I would've kept it. But that orange carrying case made me feel so self conscious. I wanted to paint it.
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Absolutely ... several people on the Fusion Zone web site and at harmony Central said they bought them at the price AND received the free monitors (which I still find difficult to believe).
DEAL OF THE YEAR, without a doubt.
GC special only. Not the permanent price. But you never know.
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Roland Fantom X7, Alesis Fusion 6HD, Novation X/A-Station 25, Alesis Micron
DEAL OF THE YEAR, without a doubt.
GC special only. Not the permanent price. But you never know.
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Roland Fantom X7, Alesis Fusion 6HD, Novation X/A-Station 25, Alesis Micron
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They would have to pay me $499 to get involved with any piece of crap that came from the Alesis company. Good luck with support after the purchase. I say save your money and buy from a real company like Roland, Yamaha, or Korg. A company that will be there next year with customer support.