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midijunkie
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Fantom X to Fantom

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Waiting on my new Fantom to show up at Sweetwater. Can you take programs from the old Fantom X and inport them into the new fantom? Could not find it on the forum so sorry in advance itf the question has been answered.
anotherscott2022
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Re: Fantom X to Fantom

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No. The new Fantom has very little in common with the Fantom X, beyond the SRX expansions that were available as expansion cards for the Fantom X and are available as downloads for the new Fantom.
pianoman41
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Re: Fantom X to Fantom

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I was the hoping the same thing but alas there is no real crossover between platforms. I had to reprogram all 250+ of my Performances from X to the Fantom.
PeppaJP
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Re: Fantom X to Fantom

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Hi, I'm working on a Patch to Tone Transfer Makro (Excel) from Fantom XR to Fanom 06, but it should also work for
FANTOM X to all Fantom 6/7/8 06/07/08 Gears with sligthly changing some SysEx Base Adresses.

I've transfered 5 Patches succesfully, there are a few Parameters which you have to adjust, but the main 98% are fine.
I looked for Patches where are also in my Fantom 06 - so I could check all the parameters :)

How it works.
I use MidiOX for the SysEx Transfer. First I send a Dump Request to the XR, Midi OX receive all Patch Data which is logged by MidiOX. This Log File I save as TXT File.
Then I start the Excel-Makro (Load the File, then do the calculations).
Excel prit out the SysEx Data for the Fanom 06. I Copy that Data and got to MidiOX to send it to the Fantom 06 (Init Tone in Zone 1).
And Voila there it is....

It's not full automatic and still some steps to do, but better then 300+ Parameters transfer per Hand :)
anotherscott2022
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Re: Fantom X to Fantom

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PeppaJP wrote: 14:08, 10 May 2022 Hi, I'm working on a Patch to Tone Transfer Makro (Excel) from Fantom XR to Fanom 06, but it should also work for
FANTOM X to all Fantom 6/7/8 06/07/08 Gears with sligthly changing some SysEx Base Adresses.

I've transfered 5 Patches succesfully, there are a few Parameters which you have to adjust, but the main 98% are fine.
I looked for Patches where are also in my Fantom 06 - so I could check all the parameters :)
Sounds great! But how do you handle cases where a given waveform in the Fantom XR does not precisely match the name of any waveform in your Fantom-06? How do you determine which "closest" sounding waveform to use?
PeppaJP
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Re: Fantom X to Fantom

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Thats a good Point.
I've done it in a Excel-Sheet and List all Waveforms from XR and all from F06.
Some I could matched directly, for some I do a simple "as it match" and for some I do a dummy.
The List is one Sheet of the Excel, so it could be optimized from Time to Time.

Some Values are a bit strange. for e.g. the LFO Rate.
In XR the range is from 0-127 / in F06 from 0-1023 - so the simple calc is Value / 127 x 1023
in most cases it is ok, but in some others there a are Differences .
For those Values I have added extra calculations
for e.g.
W = V * 8
If V <= 36 Then W = V * 4
If V <= 20 Then W = V * 3
If V <= 8 Then W = V * 2

So like I said, this is a 98% Match of the most values, some have to optimized by hand...
PeppaJP
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Re: Fantom X to Fantom

Post by PeppaJP »

Hi,
I have completed an Excel version - Patch to Tone (XR to Fantom).
In the Ecel tool I have a small process description in it.
The individual steps and the MIDIOX SysEx file are important - it must have the same structure (no extra lines at the beginning etc.)
Then everything should work.
I included a test patch.
Have fun with it :) !
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